I was skimming through Planet Fedora today, and came across a post by Mairin Duffy, one of the designers at Red Hat. She was writing about a conference called Ada Camp, which exists to support women in the IT industry especially in open-source software. I always jump on these sorts of posts because I care about equality in life and, not being a woman, I don’t get to have (maybe even can’t have) the sorts of conversations that happen at these things. I was, therefore, very interested in what she and the other women had to say. While I’m more of an enthusiastic onlooker (and user) to Open Source, I believe there are parallels to any other field where women (or any other group) are a minority, such as my beloved physics.
I started going through the links in her post, and pulling out book names, because my reading list isn’t big enough already. On one book about breaking into the IT industry as a woman, I noticed this comment by ‘kittenchicken0398,’ which made me think about the different ways we react to attempts at inclusion.
Reading about the changes they instituted made me retch a little bit. They talk about specifically approaching female students and having “women in CS” gatherings. While I’m all for creating a supportive community, if my university had done this, I would have turned and run the other way. The reason I enjoyed my CS department so much was because nobody talked to me like I was any different, or made an issue of my genitalia, I was just another computer science student.
I agree with her! I certainly wouldn’t go to some group that’s trying to get me to feel involved! Religion and other things have taught me to be afraid of those because they usually want to sell me something (or want me to sell other people something). It’s more complicated than people just shying away from peer groups, because as Mairin also talks about, people tend to stick with a working group longer if they’re in a more homogeneous minority group. That is, if there are two Caribbean women in a group of (probably) white men, they’ll be more comfortable and friendly than one Caribbean and one Chinese woman. Weird!
I think it’s at least interesting that attempts at making people feel comfortable with people of other races/genders can be hampered by how different people’s personalities are! Not terribly helpful to a first approximation, but interesting.
In the final estimation, I think all the programs need to continue, and all the bonding over favorite video games in the hallways needs to continue. Some people will be made more comfortable through meetings and organizations, and some will find their own way.
I’d like to hear more about about
3. We’re all fighting for that “token women” position.
So sometimes it feels like there’s a bit of cattiness when two women encounter each other in a male-dominated group – it’s this weird thing that happens when there’s less women in a group. There was another session on day 2 devoted to this topic that I also sadly missed.
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because that sounds tough, and the explanation that it’s just some “weird thing” makes me want a better explanation.
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But I was glad I found it – there was actually a separate breakout session about the women competing with each other thing – and it’s something that came up in the ‘Women in Technology’ panel at USENIX last December. But, I am as intrigued by it as you are, although I’ve certainly seen it in peer groups at university where I posed some female competition.
It does seem like there’s some literature on the subject -
“Do women compete in unhealthy ways at work?” by Stephanie Armour / USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2005-12-29-women-bosses-usat_x.htm
leads to
_I Can’t Believe She Did That!: Why Women Betray Other Women at Work_ by Nan Mooney
http://www.amazon.com/Cant-Believe-She-Did-That/dp/B002ACPMA4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342293921
leads to a whole bunch of similar books, and they seem to also be quite general and not just limited to technology:
_Mean Girls Grown Up: Adult Women Who Are Still Queen Bees, Middle Bees, and Afraid-to-Bees_ by Cheryl Dellasega
http://www.amazon.com/Mean-Girls-Grown-Afraid-Bees/dp/0470168757/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_2
_In the Company of Women: Indirect Aggression Among Women: Why We Hurt Each Other and How to Stop_ by Pat Heim
http://www.amazon.com/In-Company-Women-Indirect-Aggression/dp/1585422231/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1
_Woman’s Inhumanity to Woman_ by Phyllis Chesler
http://www.amazon.com/Womans-Inhumanity-Woman-Phyllis-Chesler/dp/1556529465/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_7
Woah! A whole reading list!
I’ve certainly heard women talk about how they are mean to each other. I’ll have to look through those and see if any of them sound interesting enough to look into. I like the last title!
Hi!
Thanks for the response. Your comment made me pause a bit:
“I certainly wouldn’t go to some group that’s trying to get me to feel involved!”
Two quick points — Unlocking the Clubhouse is specifically about academic interest in computer science, rather than “breaking into the IT industry”, and the information in the book are about effective strategies, rather than how people feel about the strategies.
So, I think there are two things going on in people’s heads when they think and debate about these issues. They consider how they personally would respond to something, and then believe that most other people are like them. What the research shows is that many people currently *not* in computer science or IT do not think like we do.
-selena